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		<title>By: Ed Ribeiro</title>
		<link>http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/07/02/the-death-of-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-3785</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Ribeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author seems to think that &quot;handwriting&quot; and &quot;cursive&quot; are synonimous.  Not really. Despite the cursive&#039;s demise, handwriting is alive and well--and will remain so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author seems to think that &#8220;handwriting&#8221; and &#8220;cursive&#8221; are synonimous.  Not really. Despite the cursive&#8217;s demise, handwriting is alive and well&#8211;and will remain so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/07/02/the-death-of-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-2243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I made no such plea; I merely pointed out that if phonics is a problem, then it probably has a lot to do with our awful spelling system.  The rest of my response, which was to my mind far more important (and which is not addressed in the above reply), was questioning the value of cursive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I made no such plea; I merely pointed out that if phonics is a problem, then it probably has a lot to do with our awful spelling system.  The rest of my response, which was to my mind far more important (and which is not addressed in the above reply), was questioning the value of cursive.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gladstone</title>
		<link>http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/07/02/the-death-of-cursive/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CursiveC says: &quot;If the quickest is printing with attached letters, then it’s no longer printing&quot; -- but most people who teach cursive (in the USA, at least) wouldn&#039;t call it cursive, either. Go into a typical third-grade classroom -- slip a page of efficiently connected printing into the pile of connected homework -- and if the teacher requires cursive, the teacher will disapprove yours (no matter how legibly and speedily you wrote).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CursiveC says: &#8220;If the quickest is printing with attached letters, then it’s no longer printing&#8221; &#8212; but most people who teach cursive (in the USA, at least) wouldn&#8217;t call it cursive, either. Go into a typical third-grade classroom &#8212; slip a page of efficiently connected printing into the pile of connected homework &#8212; and if the teacher requires cursive, the teacher will disapprove yours (no matter how legibly and speedily you wrote).</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gladstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The results of the Graham research surprised the researchers -- Graham and his team certainly hadn&#039;t expected those who break half the rules of cursive to write more clearly (let alone faster) than those who obediently follow them all.

Regarding Mike Maxwell and his plea for spelling our language more simply: I agree that the very odd spelling system of standard English could use an upgrade, but attaining that would take much more work than the equally urgent task of improving handwriting. Any one individual can improve his or her own handwriting, but it would take many people, working together, to agree on improving the spelling of English. (And even if we did improve the spelling of our language, no conceivable improvement could eliminate the need to write legibly in whatever sort of spelling we then had.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The results of the Graham research surprised the researchers &#8212; Graham and his team certainly hadn&#8217;t expected those who break half the rules of cursive to write more clearly (let alone faster) than those who obediently follow them all.</p>
<p>Regarding Mike Maxwell and his plea for spelling our language more simply: I agree that the very odd spelling system of standard English could use an upgrade, but attaining that would take much more work than the equally urgent task of improving handwriting. Any one individual can improve his or her own handwriting, but it would take many people, working together, to agree on improving the spelling of English. (And even if we did improve the spelling of our language, no conceivable improvement could eliminate the need to write legibly in whatever sort of spelling we then had.)</p>
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		<title>By: CursiveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CursiveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I will now not be understood if I write in cursive.  Cursive is smoother than printing.  As for that Graham research - hardly believe this research was conducted other than to support the lack of cursive teaching bs.  If the quickest is printing with attached letters, then it&#039;s no longer printing.  That proves that cursive is faster.  Which letter to connect, hmmm.....so I guess that differs according to each person?  That&#039;s the problem.  Worry not, we will eventually go back to hieroglyphics at this constant rate of dumbing down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I will now not be understood if I write in cursive.  Cursive is smoother than printing.  As for that Graham research &#8211; hardly believe this research was conducted other than to support the lack of cursive teaching bs.  If the quickest is printing with attached letters, then it&#8217;s no longer printing.  That proves that cursive is faster.  Which letter to connect, hmmm&#8230;..so I guess that differs according to each person?  That&#8217;s the problem.  Worry not, we will eventually go back to hieroglyphics at this constant rate of dumbing down.</p>
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		<title>By: H Georgiou</title>
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		<dc:creator>H Georgiou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These examples attest to the reality that schools are no longer nurturing lifelong learners; but rather, schools are now training students&quot;

I agree witht this line and I would go ever further to say that they are not just training them academically but teaching them specifically not to think independently, but to conform to the ideas and practices of the institution.  

I think its interesting that many schools state that handwriting is not used/taught and is outdated because computers are now what is being used, yet keyboarding is not taught at the elementary level either.

This is part of the reason I don&#039;t send my kids to school.  There is too much wrong with the system to try and fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These examples attest to the reality that schools are no longer nurturing lifelong learners; but rather, schools are now training students&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree witht this line and I would go ever further to say that they are not just training them academically but teaching them specifically not to think independently, but to conform to the ideas and practices of the institution.  </p>
<p>I think its interesting that many schools state that handwriting is not used/taught and is outdated because computers are now what is being used, yet keyboarding is not taught at the elementary level either.</p>
<p>This is part of the reason I don&#8217;t send my kids to school.  There is too much wrong with the system to try and fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cursive?  Why?  Not a single reason is given in this article for why cursive is better for students than printing.  The closest things to reasons are:

&gt; nowhere on Long Island at any grade level do we see a computer on every 
&gt; student’s desk. Even more importantly, lost is the understanding that 
&gt; handwriting is the integrative process that helps a learner connect 
&gt; the individual auditory sounds of language (phonemic awareness)
&gt; with the letters that visually represent those sounds (phonics).

But none of the above is dependent on cursive, as opposed to printing.  (And I mite point awt that fonics wuld be enhansed by reforming the spelling sistm, sumthing the awthr is dawtles agenst.)

&gt; If in fact handwriting is of little consequence today, then why do we, 
&gt; the taxpayers, pay for an occupational therapist to work with a 
&gt; student who has poor handwriting?

Good question!  Why indeed?  Because we&#039;ve always done it that way?  (Actually, I was not aware that &quot;we&quot; do that.  Perhaps some states do it, and others don&#039;t?)

&gt; The demise of handwriting is also a cognitive loss. The enhancement 
&gt; of neurological processes involved in the skill of writing is wide-ranging.

There&#039;s an interesting shift from &quot;handwriting&quot; in the first sentence to &quot;writing&quot; in the second; it&#039;s unclear to me whether in fact handwriting enhances the skill of writing (in the broad sense) more than printing does.  (The next paragraph claims that SAT scores--the very standardized tests that you claim are faulty because they have as much to do with family income as with learning!--are higher for students who use cursive.  This is addressed by a previous comment on this article.  There&#039;s also an issue here in distinguishing correlation from causation.)

In sum, whatever the merits of the rest of this article, the claim that not teaching cursive is a great loss makes about as much sense as the notion that it is a great loss that most of us can no longer make fire by rubbing two sticks together.

(Oh, and why are &#039;LOL&#039; and &#039;OMG&#039; any more preposterous than &#039;Mr.&#039; or &#039;Mrs.&#039;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cursive?  Why?  Not a single reason is given in this article for why cursive is better for students than printing.  The closest things to reasons are:</p>
<p>&gt; nowhere on Long Island at any grade level do we see a computer on every<br />
&gt; student’s desk. Even more importantly, lost is the understanding that<br />
&gt; handwriting is the integrative process that helps a learner connect<br />
&gt; the individual auditory sounds of language (phonemic awareness)<br />
&gt; with the letters that visually represent those sounds (phonics).</p>
<p>But none of the above is dependent on cursive, as opposed to printing.  (And I mite point awt that fonics wuld be enhansed by reforming the spelling sistm, sumthing the awthr is dawtles agenst.)</p>
<p>&gt; If in fact handwriting is of little consequence today, then why do we,<br />
&gt; the taxpayers, pay for an occupational therapist to work with a<br />
&gt; student who has poor handwriting?</p>
<p>Good question!  Why indeed?  Because we&#8217;ve always done it that way?  (Actually, I was not aware that &#8220;we&#8221; do that.  Perhaps some states do it, and others don&#8217;t?)</p>
<p>&gt; The demise of handwriting is also a cognitive loss. The enhancement<br />
&gt; of neurological processes involved in the skill of writing is wide-ranging.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting shift from &#8220;handwriting&#8221; in the first sentence to &#8220;writing&#8221; in the second; it&#8217;s unclear to me whether in fact handwriting enhances the skill of writing (in the broad sense) more than printing does.  (The next paragraph claims that SAT scores&#8211;the very standardized tests that you claim are faulty because they have as much to do with family income as with learning!&#8211;are higher for students who use cursive.  This is addressed by a previous comment on this article.  There&#8217;s also an issue here in distinguishing correlation from causation.)</p>
<p>In sum, whatever the merits of the rest of this article, the claim that not teaching cursive is a great loss makes about as much sense as the notion that it is a great loss that most of us can no longer make fire by rubbing two sticks together.</p>
<p>(Oh, and why are &#8216;LOL&#8217; and &#8216;OMG&#8217; any more preposterous than &#8216;Mr.&#8217; or &#8216;Mrs.&#8217;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gladstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Graham/Berninger 1998 research (citation on request) showing that the fastest, clearest handwriters avoid cursive? The research shows that these fastest and most legible handwriters join some, not all, of their letters (making the easiest joins, skipping the rest) and tend to use print-like shapes for letters whose printed and cursive shape disagree.

Kate Gladstone
Director, the World Handwriting Contest
Founder and CEO, Handwriting Repair/Handwriting That Works</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Graham/Berninger 1998 research (citation on request) showing that the fastest, clearest handwriters avoid cursive? The research shows that these fastest and most legible handwriters join some, not all, of their letters (making the easiest joins, skipping the rest) and tend to use print-like shapes for letters whose printed and cursive shape disagree.</p>
<p>Kate Gladstone<br />
Director, the World Handwriting Contest<br />
Founder and CEO, Handwriting Repair/Handwriting That Works</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Ditz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Ditz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Burke,

Thanks for this essay.  

As part of my practice, I work with 1st-5th graders who are struggling with written language.

My perspective is that 

1. Handwriting is introduced too early. Children in preschoolers are commonly expected to be able to write their names and some common words before they have the motor skills to do so, and without being provided with explicit instruction in proper pencil grip OR proper letter formation.  Some do pick it up naturally, and therefore the expectation is that all children can and should &quot;write&quot; without explicit and direct instruction and without explicit, guided and corrected practice.   The process intensifies in kindergarten.  By the middle of 1st grade, many children are struggling to keep up.

2.  Manuscript letter formation is never, ever taught or practiced to mastery.

3. Cursive is introduced too soon.

4. Handwriting (whether manuscript (print) or cursive) is both a physical skill and a cognitive skill.  Mastering a physical skill requires explicit, direct instruction in discrete subskills, with a lot of opportunity to practice these sub-skills to automaticity.  Our American teacher-training programs routinely denigrate that kind of practice as &quot;drill and kill&quot;.   Tell that to professional athletes, musicians, or pilots (for three examples) who routinely practice the sub-skills necessary for automaticity in their fields.

5. Many teachers rely upon the workbooks provided by their school&#039;s chosen handwriting method.  I&#039;ve examined the workbooks for many of the handwriting curricula.  At best, they are badly designed and do not offer adequate practice.

I agree with Nan Jay Barchowsky&#039;s comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Burke,</p>
<p>Thanks for this essay.  </p>
<p>As part of my practice, I work with 1st-5th graders who are struggling with written language.</p>
<p>My perspective is that </p>
<p>1. Handwriting is introduced too early. Children in preschoolers are commonly expected to be able to write their names and some common words before they have the motor skills to do so, and without being provided with explicit instruction in proper pencil grip OR proper letter formation.  Some do pick it up naturally, and therefore the expectation is that all children can and should &#8220;write&#8221; without explicit and direct instruction and without explicit, guided and corrected practice.   The process intensifies in kindergarten.  By the middle of 1st grade, many children are struggling to keep up.</p>
<p>2.  Manuscript letter formation is never, ever taught or practiced to mastery.</p>
<p>3. Cursive is introduced too soon.</p>
<p>4. Handwriting (whether manuscript (print) or cursive) is both a physical skill and a cognitive skill.  Mastering a physical skill requires explicit, direct instruction in discrete subskills, with a lot of opportunity to practice these sub-skills to automaticity.  Our American teacher-training programs routinely denigrate that kind of practice as &#8220;drill and kill&#8221;.   Tell that to professional athletes, musicians, or pilots (for three examples) who routinely practice the sub-skills necessary for automaticity in their fields.</p>
<p>5. Many teachers rely upon the workbooks provided by their school&#8217;s chosen handwriting method.  I&#8217;ve examined the workbooks for many of the handwriting curricula.  At best, they are badly designed and do not offer adequate practice.</p>
<p>I agree with Nan Jay Barchowsky&#8217;s comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaie Gladstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaie Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I checked with the College Board staff about those reported higher scores for SAT test-takers using cursive, I learned that &quot;they were indeed higher on average: by a fraction of one point on an exam of several thousand points. The statistically insignificant difference for years spent on cursive was roughly the difference you&#039;d expect between wearing blue socks or green socks to the test.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I checked with the College Board staff about those reported higher scores for SAT test-takers using cursive, I learned that &#8220;they were indeed higher on average: by a fraction of one point on an exam of several thousand points. The statistically insignificant difference for years spent on cursive was roughly the difference you&#8217;d expect between wearing blue socks or green socks to the test.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nan Jay Barchowsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan Jay Barchowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Curricula must instead be seen as the vehicle used to teach our students how to think!&quot; That is perhaps the summation of a wonderful article. My take on the handwriting issue differs from the print-script-&quot;cursive.&quot; The true meaning of cursive writing is that which flows easily (hopefully with legibility!). Cursive in the Renaissance was both fast and legible. Italic cursive has enjoyed revivals ever since that time of high education. From basic letterforms, a true cursive evolves without any of the unnecessary retraining of fine motor habits of movement, required in instruction of print first, conventional cursive later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Curricula must instead be seen as the vehicle used to teach our students how to think!&#8221; That is perhaps the summation of a wonderful article. My take on the handwriting issue differs from the print-script-&#8221;cursive.&#8221; The true meaning of cursive writing is that which flows easily (hopefully with legibility!). Cursive in the Renaissance was both fast and legible. Italic cursive has enjoyed revivals ever since that time of high education. From basic letterforms, a true cursive evolves without any of the unnecessary retraining of fine motor habits of movement, required in instruction of print first, conventional cursive later.</p>
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		<description>[...] traditional professions. Plus the budget crisis forces more states to cut summer school. And does nice handwriting matter? According to this Op-Ed piece, yes) ( New York Times, reg. required) (Long Island [...]</description>
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