Comments on: Coram Man Dead After Struggle With Cops http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/ Serving the opinion leaders of Long Island Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:17:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jon http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7669 jon Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:37:00 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7669 Rob, Find a trusted counselor while there is still time for you. Rob,

Find a trusted counselor while there is still time for you.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7629 Johnny Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:16:06 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7629 Uh, Rob. I can assure that I am not this person that you are speaking of. I have no interest or connection with any type of "New Age spirituality", nor I am these other people that you think I am. But you may believe what you would like, because you will anyway. Your paranoia is troubling and I hope that you are able to work through it one day. Also your hostility must be causing you a lot of trouble in your life. I hope that you find a better way before it destroys you. Have a nice life. Uh, Rob. I can assure that I am not this person that you are speaking of. I have no interest or connection with any type of “New Age spirituality”, nor I am these other people that you think I am.

But you may believe what you would like, because you will anyway. Your paranoia is troubling and I hope that you are able to work through it one day. Also your hostility must be causing you a lot of trouble in your life. I hope that you find a better way before it destroys you.

Have a nice life.

]]> By: Rob http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7550 Rob Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:20:09 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7550 Johnny (a.k.a. "jon" and "Fausto"): I got the joke. You are "jon" and "Fausto:" http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/17/body-of-missing-nc-girl-found-2-facing-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-7532 The latter is a variation of "Faust"--a German legend--who makes a pact with the Devil in exchange for knowledge. You are quite peeved that I choose to think and you choose "divine knowledge" from Oprah, Chopra, or any variant of New Age spirituality. I wrote "No commentator, thus far, agreed with you" on 17 November here: http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/06/army-suspect-said-allahu-akbar-before-shooting/comment-page-6/#comments This forced you to create at least two aliases to prove that you are not alone in your delusional world. YOU CONTINUE TO PROVE YOUR INSANITY. SEEK IMMEDIATE PROFESSIONAL HELP NOW! Johnny (a.k.a. “jon” and “Fausto”):
I got the joke. You are “jon” and “Fausto:”

http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/17/body-of-missing-nc-girl-found-2-facing-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-7532

The latter is a variation of “Faust”–a German legend–who makes a pact with the Devil in exchange for knowledge. You are quite peeved that I choose to think and you choose “divine knowledge” from Oprah, Chopra, or any variant of New Age spirituality.

I wrote “No commentator, thus far, agreed with you” on 17 November here:

http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/06/army-suspect-said-allahu-akbar-before-shooting/comment-page-6/#comments

This forced you to create at least two aliases to prove that you are not alone in your delusional world. YOU CONTINUE TO PROVE YOUR INSANITY. SEEK IMMEDIATE PROFESSIONAL HELP NOW!

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7544 Johnny Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:20:05 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7544 Rob: I hope you have a long and healthy life, filled with much happiness and joy. May those around you only show you kindness. Rob:

I hope you have a long and healthy life, filled with much happiness and joy. May those around you only show you kindness.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7540 Johnny Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:09:04 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7540 Rob: May you live a long and happy life, filled with much love and kindness. Rob:

May you live a long and happy life, filled with much love and kindness.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7539 Johnny Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:07:39 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7539 Fred; Thank you for explaining this via legal terms. It makes much more sense now. I guess I am biased from all the other "taser" cases that have been circulating on the web, that I just lashed out without considering the full circumstances of this particular case. I apologize to the officers involved for my initial outburst. Fred;

Thank you for explaining this via legal terms. It makes much more sense now. I guess I am biased from all the other “taser” cases that have been circulating on the web, that I just lashed out without considering the full circumstances of this particular case. I apologize to the officers involved for my initial outburst.

]]> By: FRED http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7401 FRED Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:50:47 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7401 Well I am glad that we both agree on the fact that your words were incorrect and inaccurate. On the other hand I still believe you opinion on this matter is still cloudy. Being the nice guy that I am, I will lead you in the right direction and let you see the light. You can thank me later. In this instance the police acted accordingly and contrary to your beliefs they did not use their tasers in excess. In fact, they were permitted in this case to use DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE to apprehend or terminate the crime in progress. Let me explain…. I am not privy to the SCPD's policy on the use of DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE, but I can assure you that they were permitted to use deadly physical force in accordance with the NYS Criminal Procedure Law Article 35. You can look it up but a brief synopsis of it states that you are permitted to use such force when a burglary in the 1st degree is being attempted or committed. Now you are probably saying to yourself that he wasn't stealing anything but according to NYS Penal Law Section 140.30: A person is guilty of burglary in the first degree when he knowingly enters or remains UNLAWFULLY in a DWELLING with intent to commit a CRIME herein, and when, in effecting entry or while in the dwelling or in immediate flight there from, he or another participant in the crime causes PHYSICAL INJURY to any person who is not a participant in the crime. Mr. Bain entered his mother's house unlawfully with intent to commit a crime, which you can pick any of the following 1.) 2 counts of Criminal Contempt (felony-CRIME) 2.) Assault (misd-CRIME): assault of mother and police officers 3.) Resisiting Arrest (misd- CRIME) 4.) Obstruction of Government Administration (misd-CRIME): for not allowing police into house. Now that you know that they could have drawn their guns and potentially shot Mr. Bain, you can clearly see that they opted for a less lethal means to apprehend him. In this case they DID NOT EXCESSIVELY use their tasers. I do agree that every situation dictates whether to use a taser and the ones you brought up are a bit extreme. So far that is two things we agree on. In this case you are gravely wrong and apparently the NYS Justice System agrees. After that long winded explanation that has my fingers tired and me wondering what better things I can do with my time, I want to just address your previous post. I do not believe Mr. Bain deserved to die in this case but my opinions were based on factual information as I know them. The death of Mr. Bain should not be blamed on the police but rather Mr. Bain himself. The ends do not justify the means. He put himself in this position and the police have a job to do and they did it. The taking of a life is not easy, but in this case the intent was not to and I suspect the cause of death was a result of excessive substances in Mr. Bain’s body. That opinion is pure speculation and will only be confirmed with a toxicology report when the autopsy is completed. Well I hope we all learned something today and look forward to some input. Well I am glad that we both agree on the fact that your words were incorrect and inaccurate. On the other hand I still believe you opinion on this matter is still cloudy. Being the nice guy that I am, I will lead you in the right direction and let you see the light. You can thank me later. In this instance the police acted accordingly and contrary to your beliefs they did not use their tasers in excess. In fact, they were permitted in this case to use DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE to apprehend or terminate the crime in progress. Let me explain…. I am not privy to the SCPD’s policy on the use of DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE, but I can assure you that they were permitted to use deadly physical force in accordance with the NYS Criminal Procedure Law Article 35. You can look it up but a brief synopsis of it states that you are permitted to use such force when a burglary in the 1st degree is being attempted or committed. Now you are probably saying to yourself that he wasn’t stealing anything but according to NYS Penal Law Section 140.30: A person is guilty of burglary in the first degree when he knowingly enters or remains UNLAWFULLY in a DWELLING with intent to commit a CRIME herein, and when, in effecting entry or while in the dwelling or in immediate flight there from, he or another participant in the crime causes PHYSICAL INJURY to any person who is not a participant in the crime. Mr. Bain entered his mother’s house unlawfully with intent to commit a crime, which you can pick any of the following 1.) 2 counts of Criminal Contempt (felony-CRIME) 2.) Assault (misd-CRIME): assault of mother and police officers 3.) Resisiting Arrest (misd- CRIME) 4.) Obstruction of Government Administration (misd-CRIME): for not allowing police into house. Now that you know that they could have drawn their guns and potentially shot Mr. Bain, you can clearly see that they opted for a less lethal means to apprehend him. In this case they DID NOT EXCESSIVELY use their tasers. I do agree that every situation dictates whether to use a taser and the ones you brought up are a bit extreme. So far that is two things we agree on. In this case you are gravely wrong and apparently the NYS Justice System agrees. After that long winded explanation that has my fingers tired and me wondering what better things I can do with my time, I want to just address your previous post. I do not believe Mr. Bain deserved to die in this case but my opinions were based on factual information as I know them. The death of Mr. Bain should not be blamed on the police but rather Mr. Bain himself. The ends do not justify the means. He put himself in this position and the police have a job to do and they did it. The taking of a life is not easy, but in this case the intent was not to and I suspect the cause of death was a result of excessive substances in Mr. Bain’s body. That opinion is pure speculation and will only be confirmed with a toxicology report when the autopsy is completed. Well I hope we all learned something today and look forward to some input.

]]> By: Rob http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7396 Rob Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:15:32 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7396 Quarter-wit (a.k.a. "Johnny"), "Are the police so physically incapable that they have to taser old women in order to subdue them?" What is your point? The Suffolk County Police do not "taser old women." Read the article again. Quarter-wit (a.k.a. “Johnny”),

“Are the police so physically incapable that they have to taser old women in order to subdue them?”

What is your point? The Suffolk County Police do not “taser old women.” Read the article again.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7393 Johnny Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:58:20 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7393 Not often? http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=police+taser+deaths&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Also, I have nothing against the police, except for when they abuse their authority, which many do not, but many do. Now in regards to the "murder" statement. I guess it wasn't the choicest of words, I will give you that. But it does seem that the police are excessively using tasers. I recently saw a video of a police officer using a taser on an old woman. Look it up, it's all available. do a google or youtube video search for: police taser old woman Are the police so physically incapable that they have to taser old women in order to subdue them? Oh and you do you both think that this man deserved to die for what he did? You seem to think so. Judge, jury and executioner right? Not often?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=police+taser+deaths&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Also, I have nothing against the police, except for when they abuse their authority, which many do not, but many do.

Now in regards to the “murder” statement. I guess it wasn’t the choicest of words, I will give you that. But it does seem that the police are excessively using tasers. I recently saw a video of a police officer using a taser on an old woman.

Look it up, it’s all available.

do a google or youtube video search for:

police taser old woman

Are the police so physically incapable that they have to taser old women in order to subdue them?

Oh and you do you both think that this man deserved to die for what he did? You seem to think so. Judge, jury and executioner right?

]]> By: FRED http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7327 FRED Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:27:58 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7327 Murder: is the UNLAWFUL killing of another human being with INTENT. Johnny, I can undoubtedly say that your opinion on this matter is strongly influenced by the mere hatred for the police. Now I don't know your background, maybe you got a few speeding tickets or maybe you are a criminal yourself, but with the facts as we know them the police hardly murdered this individual. The deceased/criminal 1.) held his 78 year old mother hostage with intent to cause physical harm to her 2.) was in criminal content for violating not just one but two order of protections 3.) physically attempted to refuse entry to the residence to brother (legal resident) and police officers 4.) assaulting police officers with the intent to resist arrest...5.) and finally if that wasn't enough for you, just add in that he was in an altered emotion state due to excessive suspected alcohol and cocaine use. If Mr. Bain stayed home and did not enter such residence as instructed to do so by the court he could have avoided such encounter with the police. We reap our own destinies. Now... with all that said the police used the least lethal method to apprehend this criminal who stands over 6’3’’ and weighs over 220 lbs. With all supporting facts the police used the proper escalation of force in this case and will be exonerated of any wrongful doing. The history of taser deaths are rare and only caused by excessive substance abuse at the time of the tasering and also preexisting medical conditions. The easiest way not to get tasered is to not put yourself in position where you might and Mr. Bain failed to do so. In conclusion the police protected the innocent and they were all able to go home to their families that night. I appreciate the job the police are doing day in and day out and thank you all for a job well done. I leave you with this Johnny, the next time you are in a situation where your life or family members' life is threatened; I only pray that the police perform their duties as they did in this situation so you can go home to your family. Murder: is the UNLAWFUL killing of another human being with INTENT. Johnny, I can undoubtedly say that your opinion on this matter is strongly influenced by the mere hatred for the police. Now I don’t know your background, maybe you got a few speeding tickets or maybe you are a criminal yourself, but with the facts as we know them the police hardly murdered this individual. The deceased/criminal 1.) held his 78 year old mother hostage with intent to cause physical harm to her 2.) was in criminal content for violating not just one but two order of protections 3.) physically attempted to refuse entry to the residence to brother (legal resident) and police officers 4.) assaulting police officers with the intent to resist arrest…5.) and finally if that wasn’t enough for you, just add in that he was in an altered emotion state due to excessive suspected alcohol and cocaine use. If Mr. Bain stayed home and did not enter such residence as instructed to do so by the court he could have avoided such encounter with the police. We reap our own destinies. Now… with all that said the police used the least lethal method to apprehend this criminal who stands over 6’3’’ and weighs over 220 lbs. With all supporting facts the police used the proper escalation of force in this case and will be exonerated of any wrongful doing. The history of taser deaths are rare and only caused by excessive substance abuse at the time of the tasering and also preexisting medical conditions. The easiest way not to get tasered is to not put yourself in position where you might and Mr. Bain failed to do so. In conclusion the police protected the innocent and they were all able to go home to their families that night. I appreciate the job the police are doing day in and day out and thank you all for a job well done. I leave you with this Johnny, the next time you are in a situation where your life or family members’ life is threatened; I only pray that the police perform their duties as they did in this situation so you can go home to your family.

]]> By: Rob http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7320 Rob Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:58:44 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7320 Half-wit (or maybe it is "quarter-wit"), Ask police officers, "Are thugs pleasant to be around?" Half-wit (or maybe it is “quarter-wit”),
Ask police officers, “Are thugs pleasant to be around?”

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7305 Johnny Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:10:12 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7305 Wow, thanks for the kind words. I am sure you are such a pleasant person to be around. Wow, thanks for the kind words. I am sure you are such a pleasant person to be around.

]]> By: Rob http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7286 Rob Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:53:27 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7286 And yet another idiot who supports criminals... And yet another idiot who supports criminals…

]]> By: Johnny http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7273 Johnny Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:40:06 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7273 And yet another man murdered by the police... And yet another man murdered by the police…

]]> By: Suffolk County: Coram man dead after being tasered by police « OntheWilderSide http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/11/14/coram-man-dead-after-struggle-with-cops/comment-page-1/#comment-7246 Suffolk County: Coram man dead after being tasered by police « OntheWilderSide Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:02:05 +0000 http://www.longislandpress.com/?p=48608#comment-7246 [...] from) Long Island Press Coram Man Dead After Struggle With Cops High on cocaine, man locked himself in house before cops [...] [...] from) Long Island Press Coram Man Dead After Struggle With Cops High on cocaine, man locked himself in house before cops [...]

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