By Jenn Pelly
ON A GOOD DAY, it takes Krissy Agathos, 19, about an hour and a half to drive to Brooklyn. That’s where the Centereach-native—who works as music director at Stony Brook University’s student-run radio station WUSB—spent most of her winter break catching concerts.
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“Every single weekend was spent in some bar or DIY venue in Williamsburg or Bushwick,” Agathos says of the offbeat, artsy hotspots. In recent years, these “Do-it-Yourself” (or DIY) concert and art spaces—Meccas for creative urban youths, hidden away in gritty warehouses, expansive lofts and tiny, dark basements throughout Kings and Queens counties—have come to define New York City’s independent rock underground. Seven nights a week, college students, 20-somethings and bands from around the world flock to these spaces, seeking refuge from the poshness of Manhattan’s bar-oriented music scene.
The weekend before Agathos’ classes resumed, she decided to visit a DIY space she’d never seen: Dead Broke HQ. With a mural-clad entrance and walls adorned with offbeat movie posters, the space was “absolutely reminiscent of Brooklyn DIY,” she says. But this was not Brooklyn. This was the home of Mike Dumps—founder of DIY punk label Dead Broke Rekerds—on Holbrook’s Huber Lane; a “quiet and typical Long Island ’hood,” Agathos says. “You could barely tell anything was happening there, except for the dozen cars parked outside.” Inside, the LI punk band Everything Sucks played a set at the 5-year-old makeshift performance space.
LIKE THE EBB AND FLOW of Long Island’s northernmost estuary itself, music scenes have come to the Island in waves. They pick up speed and sounds and people; some active participants, others engaged bystanders. They make a lot of noise. And eventually, they crash. In 2010, a significant portion of said noise can be attributed to a number of “indie rock” bands—a nebulous term, but basically defined as groups on independent record labels, or none at all, who generally favor the standard guitar-bass-drums set up, and mimic vintage ’60s, ’80s and ’90s pop and rock. They’re challenging the archetypal Long Island sound (i.e., emo, hardcore and pop-punk—all limited genres whose creative growth ceased sometime in the early ’00s) with obscure influences and fresh directions, from Björk-inspired avant-pop and ’80s shoegaze to abrasive punk and experimental cassette tape-music. It could be debated whether this has been the energy of Brooklyn gold seeping east, or a separate trove long in the works, but the fact remains: Long Island bands in 2010 are crafting sounds that are more creative and offbeat than they’ve been in years.
JOHN NOLAN, 31, has been something of a Long Island musical legend over the past decade, since he began performing in 2000 with the Amityville-based band Taking Back Sunday, whom Rolling Stone in 2003 called, “an emo-by-numbers band…[whose debut album] sidesteps many sad-sack emo pitfalls.” In late 2003, Nolan left TBS to start his own band, Straylight Run, and has been concentrating on a solo side-project since summer 2009. His musical endeavors have unequivocally defined the aughts-era Long Island sound.
Asked to illustrate the typical Long Island sound over the past decade, Nolan describes it as, “one that has its roots in punk and hardcore, but incorporates a pop sensibility. It has very melodic and memorable melodies, mixed with some aggressive guitar work.” Though vague, the description befits Long Island hit records of the ’00s, like Glassjaw’s Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence (2000), Taking Back Sunday’s Tell All Your Friends (2003), and Brand New’s Your Favorite Weapon (2001), which Nolan agrees were crucial. (All three bands have since played Nassau Coliseum.)
But according to Nolan, the bands that really defined Long Island music by “shaping the sound and making it what it was” are those that preceded Long Island’s biggest household names; he says the past decade “absolutely” had a first wave and a second wave. “You have to look at the bands that came early on, in the mid and late ’90s,” he says, citing melodic hardcore punk bands like Silent Majority, Inside and The Movielife as “very, very key.”
“Bands like Silent Majority and Inside were doing something that was very exciting on Long Island, and it influenced a lot of young people to start their own bands,” Nolan says. “I look at those bands as creating the sound people have come to associate with Long Island, and then bands like Taking Back Sunday and Brand New as having brought it to another level.”
That next level came in 2001, when emo-core bands like Thursday—New Jersey-natives who regularly played around the Island—began garnering national attention. “Their shows were starting to become these insane events,” Nolan says.
“Bands like Thursday and Saves the Day were starting to sell out places like [Rockville Centre’s] Back Street Blues, which holds maybe 150 people, and it was just crazy. People were going nuts,” he says. “And it was literally six months later that those same bands were playing to 500 or a thousand people. It went from, ‘Oh my God, these guys just brought out 200 people,’ to, ‘Oh my God, they just sold out a nationwide tour to thousands.’
“There had been this strong scene and community developing in Long Island and Jersey for five, 10 years, of bands that had really created a sound,” Nolan says. “It was building for a long time before people noticed it.”
THREE YEARS EARLIER, in 1998, Mike Andriani, had something different in mind. While attending Suffolk Community College, the Rocky Point-resident started Rok Lok Records; his first release was hardcore band On the Might of Princes’ The Making of a Conversation, which dropped in August ’99. “Expression is painful when it is limited,” reads the first line of RokLokRecords.com’s history page. “Limitation was the state of emergency our community had been in.” Inspired by the strong noncommercial work ethic of punk and hardcore, but no longer intent on mimicking it, Andriani wanted to contribute something different to Long Island’s creative community.
“There was a period where people were talking a lot about ‘the Long Island sound,’” says Andriani. “Not to take away from that, but as those bands were getting known worldwide, people had to say, this is just one thing coming out of Long Island. In some ways, I wanted to play devil’s advocate.”
Andriani, 32, grew up saturated in the indie rock counterculture of the ’90s: decidedly low-fidelity guitar bands like Sebadoh, Pavement and Velocity Girl, who released their music on pioneering independent labels like Merge, Matador and Slumberland (all established in 1989) in order to maintain complete creative control and distance themselves from the mainstream. College radio and independent “zines” helped bands raise their profile while maintaining “DIY” roots and remaining obscure and innovative. Though technically “underground,” many of these bands generated cult followings and continue to release well-received records and tour extensively.
For Andriani, Beck’s 1994 album Stereopathetic Soulmaure—a collection of home recordings produced among friends—sums up his musical objectives because it sounds like the singer is coming from an “outside” perspective. “It doesn’t even sound like music, and that’s what I love about it,” he says.
Capturing “outsider” music—another form of lo-fi recording that rejects commerciality—has been a goal of Rok Lok Records, but Andriani never wanted to focus on just one genre. “I just feel like if I’m going to do this, why not do something people have not heard?” he says.
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Interesting site dude Thanks
Aaron and Jim,
Thanks for reading the story and thanks very much for your concern — I agree that it would be problematic if I were playing an active role in Dinosaurs in Vietnam and didn’t disclose this. However, my connection to Dinosaurs in Vietnam over the past few months has been the same as my connection to most of the other artists I mentioned in the story: I play them on my radio show on WNYU, and have written about them on my blog.
One of the unfortunate aspects of being a twin, which has followed me for my entire life, is that I am often connected to things that my sister does, despite not being involved with them myself. Dinosaurs in Vietnam was established several years ago, and after falling apart for a few years, one of the founders (Will Forthman) decided to start up the brand again last summer. My twin sister, Liz Pelly, was involved with Dinosaurs in Vietnam last summer on a pretty basic level — she helped set up their website for them, and explained to the artists how to promote their records to college radio. She also created a print zine for Dinosaurs in Vietnam with bios and photographs of some of the artists. I was not involved with this. I have never received money from any Dinosaurs in Vietnam artists, nor has anyone involved. I have never done PR work for any of these artists, and my name should not be on the MySpace page.
I have shown my support by playing Dinosaurs in Vietnam artists on my radio show on WNYU — one of the bands, Bonus Eventus, was discovered by the popular NYC music blogger Pop Tarts Suck Toasted as a result of hearing Bonus on my radio show. But this is the extent to which I’ve been involved with Dinosaurs in Vietnam or any of the other bands/labels mentioned in the story. The only difference is that some of the artists on Dinosaurs in Vietnam are from Massapequa, which is also the town that I grew up in, and I attended elementary school and high school with them. Indeed, these people are my friends, but the small amount of attention given to them in the story doesn’t exactly warrant full disclose of the fact that we were playground pals in elementary school.
Whether Will Forthman, upon creating the page, thought I would be involved beyond what I’ve mentioned is a question that I can’t really answer. What I can say is that my name will be removed from the page immediately. I hope this clears up any confusion there may have been regarding my involvement with Dinosaurs in Vietnam, and thanks again for your concern.
-Jenn
Hey, this is Will Forthman from Dinosaurs in Vietnam. Jenn’s sister, Liz and I are the co-founders of DiV. While Jenn has been nothing but an avid supporter of DiV from the start, I decided long ago to originally put her name out of gratitude for all the help and support she has given to the bands. She has not been directly involved with the artists regarding the affairs of Dinosaurs in Vietnam.
jim –
if that is indeed the case – and i sincerely hope it’s not – then this article and the entire LI Press, one would think, is one big cesspool of nonexistent journalistic integrity.
as the son of a lifelong newspaperman, i find this alleged lack of disclosure to be sickening. frankly, it spits on my father’s grave and in the face of those that desire truth and justice.
jenn, i suggest you handle this issue as it strikes at the very heart of what it means to write and “inform.”
yours,
aaron
sorry, it was a link i followed, not a like.
jen,
as mentioned on the like i followed to DIV’s myspace, you’re listed as a band member. despite this, you failed to disclose your affiliation. isn’t that a conflict of interest?
regards,
jim
Guy,
Did you read the article? Aaron is not presented as an authority on indie music. He speaks about booking temple shows six years ago, which is something he did very successfully. Thanks for reading.
-Jenn